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At 11:06 AM 9/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: I am not sure I agree with Harvey on this. I have taught a course at the college level for a couple of years now that uses Logo pretty extensively. A couple of years ago, I advertised it as charming, fun, robotics, easy etc. and got very low enrolment. Last time I advertised it as challenging, difficult and mind challenging, but fascinating. Got more people. I think people want the truth, and I think they want to feel like what they are doing is worthwhile and difficult. Maybe Harvey and I are saying the same thing, just in different ways. Thanks for disagreeing, Gary, and for championing full disclosure commitment to challenge is the honest, hence Royal Road to learning. My attempt to provide Lauren with a cloaking device, a veneer of "a spoonful of enchantment makes the medicine go down", as a good way to welcome the troops, didn't, and shouldn't preclude her as portraying coming to MW as the embrace a demanding discipline which rides horseback upon some pretty revolutionary educational paradigms often seen as adverse to instructionalism. But in college teaching, the towers have a higher percentage of Ivory than the coarse-grained walls of schools. Put another the students come in contexts of higher education in large measure one supposes, of their own freedom to stretch their envelopes. In the context in which Lauren finds herself, I would hope that the sin of understating, almost fraudulently, the commitment to the enormous learning curve, to teachers who are, to say the least, if I read her correctly, less than enthused, (perhaps almost hostile to the mental calesthenics), might become a key to the political survival of a newcomer on the block. Walking on tiptoe in earthquake country might be grounds for paroling this sin from being sentenced for the crime of false advertising. Mary Poppins over and out! _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mia.openworldlearning.org/mwforum/ "Music is the one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind, but mankind cannot comprehend." Ludwig van Beethoven At 11:06 AM 9/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: I am not sure I agree with Harvey on this. I have taught a course at the college level for a couple of years now that uses Logo pretty extensively. A couple of years ago, I advertised it as charming, fun, robotics, easy etc. and got very low enrolment. Last time I advertised it as challenging, difficult and mind challenging, but fascinating. Got more people. I think people want the truth, and I think they want to feel like what they are doing is worthwhile and difficult. Maybe Harvey and I are saying the same thing, just in different ways. Thanks for disagreeing, Gary, and for championing full disclosure commitment to challenge is the honest, hence Royal Road to learning. My attempt to provide Lauren with a cloaking device, a veneer of "a spoonful of enchantment makes the medicine go down", as a good way to welcome the troops, didn't, and shouldn't preclude her as portraying coming to MW as the embrace a demanding discipline which rides horseback upon some pretty revolutionary educational paradigms often seen as adverse to instructionalism. But in college teaching, the towers have a higher percentage of Ivory than the coarse-grained walls of schools. Put another the students come in contexts of higher education in large measure one supposes, of their own freedom to stretch their envelopes. In the context in which Lauren finds herself, I would hope that the sin of understating, almost fraudulently, the commitment to the enormous learning curve, to teachers who are, to say the least, if I read her correctly, less than enthused, (perhaps almost hostile to the mental calesthenics), might become a key to the political survival of a newcomer on the block. Walking on tiptoe in earthquake country might be grounds for paroling this sin from being sentenced for the crime of false advertising. Mary Poppins over and out! _______________________________________________ Ludwig van Beethoven To save an attachment to your computer, PC users should right-click (Mac users, click and hold the mouse button) on the link and then choose 'save target as' from the pop-up menu. A window will then pop up in which you can choose a location for the file. | |||||||